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Offline outback jack

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QSA Medal On EBay For Sale
« on: September 24, 2010, 01:13:45 PM »
Shouldn't something of historical significance like this medal be donated to the Association?
Grev
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Canada - Boer War Queens South Africa Medal , also known as the QSA - to the Royal Canadian Regiment , the famous R.C.R.'s .

4 bars: Johannesburg , Driefontein , Paardeberg , and Cape Colony .

Edge named in properly impressed letters: 7619 Pte. F. G. CORNER , RL. CANDN: REGT

Medal is original / authentic and has NOT been re-named.

Condition: see photos. Vertical rivet which attaches bar to medal clasp is loose but intact. Suspender swivels freely but is sloppy.

Canadian buyers MUST MUST MUST pay applicable taxes based upon buyer location!

Canadian buyers, PLEASE!! do not pay until invoiced with appropriate taxes!
http://cgi.ebay.com/Canadian-4-Bar-QSA-Medal-RCR-Royal-Canadian-Regiment-/160484840181?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item255da452f5

Mike Greville
3RCR 1984-1991
M-Coy, O-Coy, Recce Pl

Offline Michael OLeary

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Re: QSA Medal On EBay For Sale
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2010, 01:59:32 PM »
Shouldn't something of historical significance like this medal be donated to the Association?
Grev

Anyone who thinks the Association and/or the regimental Museum are the best place for this medal is certainly free to purchase and donate it wherever they believe it would be best preserved.

Mike

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Offline JW Robinson

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Re: QSA Medal On EBay For Sale
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2010, 06:18:25 PM »
I would certainly agree.  Something like this should be on the museums's acquisition list. These do not come onto the market very often and would make an excellent addition to the museum's collection.
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Offline Hugh Conway

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Re: QSA Medal On EBay For Sale
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2010, 03:17:16 PM »
Security of the Museum is also a question. Hugh Conway

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Re: QSA Medal On EBay For Sale
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2010, 08:13:03 PM »
Security of the Museum is also a question. Hugh Conway

Are you referring to the security arrangements in the Museum 30 years ago, when Greg's group was stolen?

Or are you making a comment on current arrangements?
Mike

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Offline tony giacomelli

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Re: QSA Medal On EBay For Sale
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2010, 07:25:10 PM »
Hi Michael ; Ref. the incident 30 yrs. ago can you tell us what you think happened ?  And if's theres a chance the Regiment will ever get back our most valuable heirloom ?  Thanks Tony

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Re: QSA Medal On EBay For Sale
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2010, 09:20:06 PM »
Hi Tony,

To my knowledge only the Gregg medals were stolen at the time, and it occurred right after the acquisition (or pending acquisition) was announced.  To me, that suggests it was a targeted theft by someone who knew what they were after.  Quite possibly they have spent the last 30 years deeply hidden in a personal collection, and may re-appear when that collector (or subsequent collectors who buy them in similar secrecy) eventually fail to dispose of "the goods" before their executor is selling off their effects.

Sometimes such things do reappear, see this excerpt from the Wikipedia article on Filip Konowal (emphasis is mine):

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The medal went missing sometime in the 1970s, apparently stolen, and was sold to an antique shop along with some Hawaiian coins in the mid-1990s. The shop owner believed the medal was a fake, as it was inscribed with "For Valour" – evidently not realizing that all VCs awarded to Canadians had the English motto. (The source of confusion was the fact that a new Canadian VC was introduced into the Canadian Honours System in 1993, bearing the Latin motto Pro Valore). The medal was rediscovered when the shop owner offered it to the Jeffrey Hoare Auction House in London, Ontario in April 2004. A British collector discovered the auction and notified Lubomyr Luciuk, co-author of a booklet about Konowal, who took steps to have the medal secured. It was recovered by police, and returned to permanent display at the War Museum on 23 August 2004, 87 years after it was awarded.

The most important point to keep in mind, however, is that if Gregg's medals do re-appear, the Regiment does not have an automatic claim to them. They were insured, and I have been informed that an insurance policy was paid out for them  Therefore the medals will go to the insurance company, which will most likely sell them to recover their loss. While we might hope that the insurance company will offer them to the Regiment, we can also expect that they will do so at current "fair market value."

If Gregg's medals do appear on the market, and the Regiment wants them, it had better be prepared to write a very large cheque. There's really no set price for VC groups, each sets its own price among the interested bidders.  See this page for the range of VC prices over the past 12 years - http://www.victoriacross.org.uk/aaauctio.htm

Mike

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Offline tony giacomelli

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Re: QSA Medal On EBay For Sale
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2010, 07:22:38 PM »
Hi Michael, Thanks for this insight ! What i have a hard time getting my head around is WHY would somebody steal something that they can't show anyone ??  Yet knowing it means every thing to a Regiment  !    Pro Patria !   Tony

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Re: QSA Medal On EBay For Sale
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2010, 06:32:32 AM »
I doubt that  the Regiment would have items on display at the museum if it was a secure setting. I have never heard of a lack of security before.
I believe that the Museum is in good hands and is well secured.
BJ MacLean<br />Loyal Royal since 1971